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Prominent black Americans condemn Cuba on racism
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krp
2009-12-02 13:53:01 UTC
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I don't have to read that shit as I have lived 9 years in Cuba, and go
each year for a month.
Furthermore I am not white so I move around black people in Cuba.
As a none white person I know what racism is and I can tell you in Cuba
you don't have racism.
Racism you have in Europe and in the United States but definitely not in
Cuba.
Someone who claims that there is racism in Cuba does not know what racism
is.
Racism persists in Cuba not as much as other places, but dislike for
Cubans who are black is there, just not openly discussed. I have family all
over the island. It also depends of where in Cuba that you are discussing.
To suggest there is no racism in Cuba is dishonest.
krp
2009-12-02 14:08:42 UTC
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I really think that these prominent black Americans should first watch
in their own backyard,
rather a hypocrite defense of the dictatorship, no?
Do you really mean to say that as longs as there is another place in the
world that isn't perfect Cuba can be as "imperfect" as it wants?
No I am not saying that, what I am saying is that they should fight the
racism that exists in the US.
In Cuba you don't have racism.
Don't try to fool people with stupidness. I have lived there for 9 years,
and I am not white.
My wife is Cuban and she is also not white.
My wife is Cuban and she is white.
Shouldn't you condemn and fight racism everywhere?
Yes, but you can't condemn racism where it doesn't exist. You should
condemn racism in Europe and in the US.
To say there is NO racism in Cuba is untrue.
as the position blacks have in the US is the worst of all countries in
the world.
Says you. They do have a black president.
That does not make it a non racist country. Ask any black person in the US
if racism has changed after Obama came to power and you will know.
There is no such place that is free of racism on THIS planet.
Blacks in top jobs, unlike Cuba.
How many black doctors do they have in the US?
Actually, quite a few. And they are very successful.
How many black university students do they have in the US?
Almost 40%.
How many black university graduates do they have in the US?
A great many. A great many with doctorates some even from Harvard. Maybe
if YOU weren't sucg a bigot youd know that the present Attorney General of
the United States is black and a graduate of Columbia Law School. Maybe you
miss that both Mr. Obama AND his wife have law degrees (Juris Doctors) from
HARVARD. I could go on with a LONG LIST of black people who not only have
degrees but advanced degrees. Maybe you have missed some black American
scientists who o ver the years have won things like the Nobel Prize?
How many black university teachers do they have in the US?
Quite a few.
Come on be real. If you don't know don't act stupid, just Google around.
The US is the most racist country on earth.
Bullshit. The U.S. is far from perfect BUT if you want to try racism try
Japan or China.
Sorry dude, but with 9 years of living in Cuba I really think that I know
Cuba as my inside pocket.
I think you are FOS. Your statements don't accurately reflect either the
U.S. OR Cuba. You remind me of a jackass I met at the JFK airport when I was
flying to Berlin about 15 years ago. He barged into a discussion several
folks were having on relief efforts in Africa at the time and how the U.S.
was airlifting in tons of food and supplies. He ANGRILY claimed that the
U.S. was "KILLING" people by dropping "frozen hamburger meat on them" being
too STUPID to know that the people didn't eat HAMBURGER. I had to answer
with the facts. The first one being that the U.S. Air Force doesn't have
refrigerated airplanes. Secondly the actual cargo was largely wheat and
rice. Thirdly the planes off loaded the cargo to trucks and did not do any
air drops. How TYPICAL of you people over there and YOUR elitism. It gets
OLD after a while.

The United States is far from perfect but better than many places in the
world. We TRY to admit racism where it exists and to redress it. UNLIKE your
neck of the woods. I know Cuba well enough to know some of the dirty little
secrets. I know that the Cuban government has tried to do much about racism,
but I also know that the success has had its limits.
krp
2009-12-02 15:48:57 UTC
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Post by krp
I really think that these prominent black Americans should first watch
in their own backyard,
rather a hypocrite defense of the dictatorship, no?
Do you really mean to say that as longs as there is another place in the
world that isn't perfect Cuba can be as "imperfect" as it wants?
No I am not saying that, what I am saying is that they should fight the
racism that exists in the US.
In Cuba you don't have racism.
Don't try to fool people with stupidness. I have lived there for 9 years,
and I am not white.
My wife is Cuban and she is also not white.
My wife is Cuban and she is white.
And you are purple?
Olive, actually.
Post by krp
Shouldn't you condemn and fight racism everywhere?
Yes, but you can't condemn racism where it doesn't exist. You should
condemn racism in Europe and in the US.
To say there is NO racism in Cuba is untrue.
Have you experienced racism in Cuba?
No, but I know people who have. Including some prominent black
dissidents in Cuba.
Post by krp
as the position blacks have in the US is the worst of all countries in
the world.
Says you. They do have a black president.
That does not make it a non racist country. Ask any black person in the
US if racism has changed after Obama came to power and you will know.
There is no such place that is free of racism on THIS planet.
Well Cuba is free of racism, I know as I have lived there.
I know it isn't. I've been there too. I have loads of family all over
the island. In places with a strong black majority racism against blacks is
minimal, in places with a high white majority it often is.
I guess you don't know what racism is. Or you have never experienced it?
I think I might know what it is. I have been fighting it most of my
adult life.
Post by krp
Blacks in top jobs, unlike Cuba.
How many black doctors do they have in the US?
Actually, quite a few. And they are very successful.
A few? Well in Cuba you have more then a few, as if you would go to the
Medicine schools you would be amazed.
I said "quite a few." Meaning many. Many notable medical scientists. If
there is any racism in this discussion it's yours.
Post by krp
How many black university students do they have in the US?
Almost 40%.
That is very low.
REALLY? Low, when black people account for only 23% of the U.S.
population? Today there are more Hispanics in America than blacks.
Post by krp
How many black university graduates do they have in the US?
A great many. A great many with doctorates some even from Harvard.
I haven't seen many black people going to Harvard. Even with special
programs from the NAACP the amount of blacks on the universities is very
low.
Spend lots of time at Harvard do ya? There are many black people today
in America that are very educated. Black people here havem't been in the
fields picking cotton for many decades now.
Post by krp
Maybe if YOU weren't sucg a bigot youd know that the present Attorney
General of the United States is black and a graduate of Columbia Law
School.
Yes, an exceptional one. But most of the blacks in the US can't even go to
school. How many of them hold a high school diploma? Check your facts.
Actually MOST of the black folks in America have a high school diploma.
AGAIN, they have bene out of the cotton fields for quite some time now.
Post by krp
Maybe you miss that both Mr. Obama AND his wife have law degrees (Juris
Doctors)
from HARVARD. I could go on with a LONG LIST of black people who not only
have degrees but advanced degrees. Maybe you have missed some black
American scientists who o ver the years have won things like the Nobel
Prize?.
Yeah, exceptional blacks have made it, but the mayority most of them don't
even hold a nineth grade
I guess Bill Cosby is an "exceptional" black too. He also has a
doctorate. One of my philospophy professors in college was black Dr.
Cornelius Golightly. I have KNOWN and worked with MANY talented and highly
educated black people in my life. NONE of them picked cotton. You seem to
only know things about America you read in European Marxist fairy stories.
Post by krp
How many black university teachers do they have in the US?
Quite a few.
Few is very little he?
Quite a few means a GREAT MANY.
Post by krp
Come on be real. If you don't know don't act stupid, just Google around.
The US is the most racist country on earth.
Bullshit. The U.S. is far from perfect BUT if you want to try racism
try Japan or China.
Are there a lot of negroes in China and Japan? Do you know what racism is?
I
believe you don't even get the concept.
Do you think racism is confined to white against black? Are you that
narrow minded? You don't realize that some blacks have racist attitudes
toward whites? It seems you know almost NOTHING of the history of the world
other than what your Marxist MASTERS tell you to think.
Post by krp
Sorry dude, but with 9 years of living in Cuba I really think that I know
Cuba as my inside pocket.
I think you are FOS. Your statements don't accurately reflect either
the U.S. OR Cuba.
He scumbag, you have been reading that gusano shit too much. In July I was
in Cuba for a month again, and I guess you have never been to Cuba. You
married a gusano bitch in Miami, that is all the Cuba you know.
Oh what a trip you are. I married my wife *IN* Cuba. To be specific in
Holguin. Since you are suggesting you are an EXPERT on Cuba you'd know where
that is. She is not a "worm" as you suggest. I have been to Cuba many times.
Are you sure you want to debate ME?
Post by krp
The United States is far from perfect but better than many places in
the world. We TRY to admit racism where it exists and to redress it.
UNLIKE your neck of the woods.
That is a very big lie, check the website of the NAACP and you will know
that you are not only full of shit, but you are shit.
What in specific on that website. A PAGE LINK, please.
Post by krp
I know Cuba well enough to know some of the dirty little secrets. I know
that the Cuban government has tried to do much about racism, but I also
know that the success has had its limits.
Well you don't know shit, as in Cuba there is no racism. Any Cuban of any
colour can study whatever he or she pleases according to his or her grades
of course.
I know more than you will ever admit. IF Cuba is so GREAT, why do so
many Cubans (including BLACK Cubans) die trying to get to the United States?
IF you weren't so FOS there would be millions of black Americans in rafts
trying to get TO the good life IN Cuba instead of AWAY from it.
In Cuba I have seen for the first time in my life so many black university
graduates. In my wife her family which is very big, all of them hold
university degrees.
I don't dispute that blacks are educated in Cuba. They are in the U.S.
as well. Black does not equal stupid.
Cuba really kicked racism out of her borders and it got trapped in Miami.
Funny - there are one hell of a lot of black Cubans in Miami.
krp
2009-12-02 19:58:52 UTC
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Post by krp
Post by krp
I really think that these prominent black Americans should first watch
in their own backyard,
rather a hypocrite defense of the dictatorship, no?
Do you really mean to say that as longs as there is another place in the
world that isn't perfect Cuba can be as "imperfect" as it wants?
No I am not saying that, what I am saying is that they should fight the
racism that exists in the US.
In Cuba you don't have racism.
Don't try to fool people with stupidness. I have lived there for 9 years,
and I am not white.
My wife is Cuban and she is also not white.
My wife is Cuban and she is white.
And you are purple?
Olive, actually.
Okay then it is clear that you don't know shit about racism.
I see, in yopur world only BLACK people can know about racism.
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Post by krp
Shouldn't you condemn and fight racism everywhere?
Yes, but you can't condemn racism where it doesn't exist. You should
condemn racism in Europe and in the US.
To say there is NO racism in Cuba is untrue.
Have you experienced racism in Cuba?
No, but I know people who have. Including some prominent black
dissidents in Cuba.
So shut the fuck up. You haven't experienced it, but repeat as a dumb ass
the words of dissidents.
Sorry not very truthful right?
So ALL dissidents LIE, eh?
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Post by krp
as the position blacks have in the US is the worst of all countries in
the world.
Says you. They do have a black president.
That does not make it a non racist country. Ask any black person in the
US if racism has changed after Obama came to power and you will know.
There is no such place that is free of racism on THIS planet.
Well Cuba is free of racism, I know as I have lived there.
I know it isn't. I've been there too. I have loads of family all over
the island. In places with a strong black majority racism against blacks
is minimal, in places with a high white majority it often is.
You don't even know what racism is. It is right in front of you in the US
and you can't see a fuck. Are you blind or just stupid?
I never denied that racism exists in the U.S. like YOU try to do with
Cuba.
Post by krp
I guess you don't know what racism is. Or you have never experienced it?
I think I might know what it is. I have been fighting it most of my
adult life.
Where in the US? I thought you said there was no racism in the US?
I said quite the opposite. I acknowledges racism does exist in the U.S.,
just as it DOES in Cuba.
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Post by krp
Blacks in top jobs, unlike Cuba.
How many black doctors do they have in the US?
Actually, quite a few. And they are very successful.
A few? Well in Cuba you have more then a few, as if you would go to the
Medicine schools you would be amazed.
I said "quite a few." Meaning many. Many notable medical scientists.
If there is any racism in this discussion it's yours.
Go and read the pages of the NAACP and quit the bullshit man. The US is
the most racist country there is, why do you think that an organisation
like the NAACP needs to exist there?
I have seen the NAACP pages as well as CORE and SPLC. I've been a member
of some of them. Have YOU ever marched in a civil rights protest against
racism? I have.
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Post by krp
How many black university students do they have in the US?
Almost 40%.
That is very low.
REALLY? Low, when black people account for only 23% of the U.S.
population? Today there are more Hispanics in America than blacks.
As I mentioned don't lie as the NAACP says totally the opposite. I guess
you don't even know black people in the US, otherwise you would not be
writing this bullshit.
No they don't. Give us the link.
The amount of blacks on universities is very very few. Come on, do you
know how much blacks in the US can't even read?
YOU are the RACIST here. Very few black Americans are illiterate.
Almost all the black people I know are very intelligent.
Some go to school and they are passed grades just because they are good
sportsman, but they can't read at all. So how did they pass?
THAT is RACIST!
You don't know a fuck of the country you are living in, because you don't
even know one single black person.
Oh I know MANY black people. I am getting the feeling you are nothing
but another TROLL from the Netherlands.
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Post by krp
How many black university graduates do they have in the US?
A great many. A great many with doctorates some even from Harvard.
I haven't seen many black people going to Harvard. Even with special
programs from the NAACP the amount of blacks on the universities is very
low.
Spend lots of time at Harvard do ya? There are many black people today
in America that are very educated. Black people here havem't been in the
fields picking cotton for many decades now.
Yeah, but are there masses of black people like on any Cuban university?
Don't lie, as there is no need to, as you dumb cunt, I know the States
very well myself.
Apparently you do NOT.
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Post by krp
Maybe if YOU weren't sucg a bigot youd know that the present Attorney
General of the United States is black and a graduate of Columbia Law
School.
Yes, an exceptional one. But most of the blacks in the US can't even go to
school. How many of them hold a high school diploma? Check your facts.
Actually MOST of the black folks in America have a high school
diploma. AGAIN, they have bene out of the cotton fields for quite some
time now.
Hahaahah, this guy really lies. Wow, you even dare to challenge the NAACP.
Who told you that nonsense that most of the black folks in America have a
high school diploma?
The NAACP does NOT claim that black folks don't have a high school
education. YOU are the RACIST here!
With the high amount of drop-out rates, how the fuck will they be holding
then a high school diploma? Purchased on the Internet?
Be real and don't try to lie to sell your cheap gusano talk.
The drop out rate is too high. HOWEVER, most black people DO get a high
school diploma. By the way, Cuba has drop outs too.
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Post by krp
Maybe you miss that both Mr. Obama AND his wife have law degrees
(Juris Doctors)
from HARVARD. I could go on with a LONG LIST of black people who not only
have degrees but advanced degrees. Maybe you have missed some black
American scientists who o ver the years have won things like the Nobel
Prize?.
Yeah, exceptional blacks have made it, but the mayority most of them don't
even hold a nineth grade
I guess Bill Cosby is an "exceptional" black too. He also has a
doctorate. One of my philospophy professors in college was black Dr.
Cornelius Golightly. I have KNOWN and worked with MANY talented and
highly educated black people in my life. NONE of them picked cotton. You
seem to only know things about America you read in European Marxist fairy
stories.
You made a very big mistake by mentioning Bill Cosby, because he is one of
the very good guys doing a very good job to enforce black people to go to
school even though he gets a lot of resistance.
Nope, Doctor Cosby would NOT support your extremist statements. You
mistake his concern for his community for being in agreement with your
lunatic extreme claims.
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Post by krp
How many black university teachers do they have in the US?
Quite a few.
Few is very little he?
Quite a few means a GREAT MANY.
Why do you need to lie?
You are tghe one lying.
Post by krp
Post by krp
Come on be real. If you don't know don't act stupid, just Google around.
The US is the most racist country on earth.
Bullshit. The U.S. is far from perfect BUT if you want to try racism
try Japan or China.
Are there a lot of negroes in China and Japan? Do you know what racism
is? I
believe you don't even get the concept.
Do you think racism is confined to white against black?
Oh, now you want to spin the ball and say that the blacks in Cuba are
racists?
Not what I said. YOU define racism as strictly white against black. Not
Asian versus white or black. Or Asian against Asian. You have a very narrow
parochial definition of racism to suit your political bullshit.
Post by krp
Are you that narrow minded? You don't realize that some blacks have
racist attitudes toward whites?
That is not the topic now, stay to it. You were talking about racism
towards the blacks in Cuba, and now you come with a different story. Fuck
off man, there is no racism in Cuba.
There IS racism in Cuba no matter how muc h you LIE about it. Ever ask
an Asian in Cuba about racism they feel? To you its racism ONLY if white
folks do it.
But if you don't even know what racism is, how the fuck will you know were
to find it?
I know what it is, you are the one who is confused about it.
Post by krp
It seems you know almost NOTHING of the history of the world other than
what your Marxist MASTERS tell you to think.
Well my friend my Marxist Masters have opened my eye and shown me how
great Cuba is and that it is possible to have a none racial society.
I have some swamp land here in Florida I'd like to interest you in.
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Post by krp
Sorry dude, but with 9 years of living in Cuba I really think that I know
Cuba as my inside pocket.
I think you are FOS. Your statements don't accurately reflect either
the U.S. OR Cuba.
He scumbag, you have been reading that gusano shit too much. In July I was
in Cuba for a month again, and I guess you have never been to Cuba. You
married a gusano bitch in Miami, that is all the Cuba you know.
Oh what a trip you are. I married my wife *IN* Cuba. To be specific
in Holguin. Since you are suggesting you are an EXPERT on Cuba you'd know
where that is.
After living for a lot of years in Santiago de Cuba it would be very
difficult for not knowing Holguin, don't you think?
It might be. Ever been there? I have.
Post by krp
She is not a "worm" as you suggest. I have been to Cuba many times. Are
you sure you want to debate ME?
Come on guy, you don't know shit about the US and even more less about
Cuba, so let's roll, you may receive help from your holguinera and I will
wipp both you and your wife asses to the dust.
A little bit violent, aren't ya?
So to make it clear it is just me against both of you. Spanish or English,
you are welcome.
Post by krp
Post by krp
The United States is far from perfect but better than many places in
the world. We TRY to admit racism where it exists and to redress it.
UNLIKE your neck of the woods.
That is a very big lie, check the website of the NAACP and you will know
that you are not only full of shit, but you are shit.
What in specific on that website. A PAGE LINK, please.
You are already a gusano now you want to parasite as well, go read that
page. Very easy just type the url in and start reading so that you can see
that the US is the most racist country of the world.
What page? No link. No wonder.
Post by krp
Post by krp
I know Cuba well enough to know some of the dirty little secrets. I know
that the Cuban government has tried to do much about racism, but I also
know that the success has had its limits.
Well you don't know shit, as in Cuba there is no racism. Any Cuban of any
colour can study whatever he or she pleases according to his or her grades
of course.
I know more than you will ever admit. IF Cuba is so GREAT, why do so
many Cubans (including BLACK Cubans) die trying to get to the United States?
That is because of the economy. All those people leaving the country are
economic refugees, but in order to get the permit to stay in the US some
of them sell a different story and make it that they were persecuted, and
had no freedom to express themselves, etc. and etc.
I see so ALL the 2 MILLION + Cubans in America are lying. And WHY is
the Cuban economy a mess? Blame that on America too? Do you also blame the
failure of EVERY Marxist economy in Europe on America too? Like I said *IF*
your claims were at all true the sea would be covered with millions of rafts
of Amrican black folks paddling to Havana for the GOOD LIFE.
If there was no economic bloccade against Cuba these people would have
stayed in Cuba.
There is an embargo, there is NO "blockade."
Post by krp
IF you weren't so FOS there would be millions of black Americans in rafts
trying to get TO the good life IN Cuba instead of AWAY from it.
That is because millions of black Americans can't even afford to buy a
raft to go out.
And the cubans have it so GOOD that they CAN?
Post by krp
In Cuba I have seen for the first time in my life so many black university
graduates. In my wife her family which is very big, all of them hold
university degrees.
I don't dispute that blacks are educated in Cuba. They are in the U.S.
as well. Black does not equal stupid.
Who told you that black equals to stupid? I just said that in Cuba all the
blacks can study. That is not the case in the US. Remember Bill Cosby, I
suppose you have listened or read the info I selected for you.
YOU!
Post by krp
Cuba really kicked racism out of her borders and it got trapped in Miami.
Funny - there are one hell of a lot of black Cubans in Miami.
Economic refugees, just call it by the name.
Funny, that is NOT what THEY say. Now, here is my problem. Do I believe
YOU or do I believe over 2 MILLION Cubans? YOU LOSE!

krp
2009-12-02 15:52:53 UTC
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WHY are you afraid of responding to the cuba.politics group? What are you
afraid of in there?
Post by krp
I don't have to read that shit as I have lived 9 years in Cuba, and go
each year for a month. Furthermore I am not white so I move around black
people in Cuba.
As a none white person I know what racism is and I can tell you in Cuba
you don't have racism.
Racism you have in Europe and in the United States but definitely not in
Cuba.
Someone who claims that there is racism in Cuba does not know what
racism is.
Racism persists in Cuba not as much as other places, but dislike for
Cubans who are black is there, just not openly discussed. I have family
all over the island. It also depends of where in Cuba that you are
discussing. To suggest there is no racism in Cuba is dishonest.
Dude as I mentioned earlier I am not white and I know what racism is.
And only YOU can know. NO "white" person could possibly know.
Interesting. Bullshit, but an interesting notion.
In the Netherlands we have racism, in the US you have the maximum form
of racism.
Ever been here?
In Cuba I have been in all places and seen with my own eyes how people
live in Cuba and I can guarantee you that there is no racism in Cuba.
You still have some prejudice in Cuba, but that is not racism.
I really believe that you don't know a shit what racism is.
You are one arrogant asshole, aren't you?
Do you have a KKK in Cuba?
No they have the CDR instead.
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