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Just answer the question, Kennykins!
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krp
2009-10-16 01:34:18 UTC
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"Dan Christensen" <***@netcom.ca> wrote in message news:eaf0104f-d83c-45b6-b896-***@f16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...

[snipping portions of KRP's posting already debunked here, or just too
lame to bother with]

Comrade Christensen's code language for the start of his LIES.
How about the UN, Kennykins? For 17 years in a row now, the UN
General Assembly voted overwhelmingly to condemn your beloved
embargo.
And yet, Danny, as many times as we have been over this, the UN
General Assembly not ONCE has used the word "COMDEMN" in their
position.
Poor desperate, Kennykins. I know you think they are just a bunch of
THEY are not liars
So, then you agree with them that, as they emphasized in HUGE
They did NOT use the word "CONDEMN." YOU insert that word.
Absolutely pathetic!
“The negative impact of the embargo is pervasive in the social,
economic and environmental dimensions of human development in Cuba,
severely affecting the most vulnerable socioeconomic groups of the
Cuban population.”
That's true. But, it is also true that Cuba has the power to correct
that itself. Cuba declared it was in a "State of War" with the U.S..
COMRADE C> Write Another Kennykins Mega-Whopper!!!

Do you understand what "State of Beligerancy" means in International
law?
No nation should ever be compelled to trade with a beligerant party, so
long as
the "state of beligerancy continues." Cuba need only declare that it is
over.
COMRADE C> Write Sorry, Kennykins, but no one outside your tiny circle of
fanatical
COMRADE C> Write Cuba-haters is buying into your bullshit -- not AI, the UN,
the OAS or
COMRADE C> Write the Catholic Church. Deal with it.

History documents the beligerancy going back to 1960, Danny.
VERY evasive, Kennykins. If you have nothing to hide, please
answer the question. Is their statement a lie or not???
No, Danny, it is their OPINION, therefore cannot be a lie.
COMRADE C> Write It is a summary of the facts. If you want to remain in
denial, I guess
COMRADE C> Write that's your problem.

It is NOT a "fact" that tghe U.S. has denied Cuba electrical generation
machinery. That is something in YOUR head.
“The restrictions imposed by the embargo help to deprive Cuba of vital
access to medicines, new scientific and medical technology, food,
chemical water treatment and electricity.”
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR25/007/2009/en/51469f8b-73...
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Amnesty International Report 2009
Try it again, Kennykins:

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR25/007/2009/en/51469f8b-73f8-47a2-a5bd-f839adf50488/amr250072009eng.pdf

Why do you leave out this disclaimer\< COMRADE?

"Amnesty International has been unable to document at first hand the effects
of the embargo
on the enjoyment of these rights due to the organization’s lack of access to
Cuba."

OR THIS:

"Since 2002, the USA has been the major supplier of food and agricultural
products to Cuba."

OR THIS:

"The US Government Accountability Office reported that in 2006, US medical
and
pharmaceutical exports to Cuba amounted to US$120,000 (0.04 % of total
exports to Cuba).
Exports of licensed humanitarian items, including donated medicine and
medical products,
amounted to US$6.9 million (1.98% of total exports to Cuba)."

HERE IS THE THING YOU HANG YOUR HAT ON:

"The impact of economic sanctions on health and health services is not
limited to difficulties
in the supply of medicine. Health and health services depend on functioning
water and
sanitation infrastructure, on electricity and other functioning equipment
such as X-ray
facilities or refrigerators to store vaccines. The financial burden and
commercial barriers have
led to shortages or intermittent availability of drugs, medicines, equipment
and spare parts.
It has also hindered the renovation of hospitals, clinics and care centres
for the elderly." 64

64 Report by UNFPA, the UN Population Fund, in Necessity of ending the
economic, commercial and
financial embargo imposed by the United States of America against Cuba,
Report of the Secretary-
General, A/63/93, 1 August 2008, p. 109.


Really a stretch. There is NO evidence that the embargo has ANYTHING to
do with Cuba's deteriorating infrastructure, there is VASTLY more evidence
of the Cuban government's lack of interest in maintaining the things.Money
is spent on military gear instead of the needed things. Refrigerators? They
buy those from China. Water infrastructure? Cuba has never requested ANY
assistance from the U.S. or tried to buy such gear. Again that is available
from other countires Cuba trades with. IF Cuba wanted it, why don't they
have it? Electricity? Again - Cuba can't buy it from the U.S. because the US
can't help them. The U.S. has to BUY turbines overseas.


COMRADE C> Read it and weep!

Why? Because of a poorly sourced claim? Not in this lifetime, Danny.
krp
2009-10-16 12:14:35 UTC
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"Dan Christensen" <***@netcom.ca> wrote in message news:9ef34ffc-6be6-4c91-9f3a-***@k33g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...

[snip and LIE]
Post by krp
“The negative impact of the embargo is pervasive in the social,
economic and environmental dimensions of human development in Cuba,
severely affecting the most vulnerable socioeconomic groups of the
Cuban population.”
That's true. But, it is also true that Cuba has the power to correct
that itself. Cuba declared it was in a "State of War" with the U.S..
Another Kennykins Mega-Whopper!!!
Do you understand what "State of Beligerancy" means in International
law?
[snip and LIE]

COMRADE C> Why don't you tell us, Kennykins? Please cite the relevant
conventions
COMRADE C> and . And also, please cite your source for your outrageous
COMRADE C> claim that Cuba declared war on the US.
COMRADE C> When WILL you learn?

http://www.questia.com/library/encyclopedia/belligerency.jsp

"b?lij'?r?nse, in international law, status of parties legally at war.
Belligerency exists in a war between nations or in a civil war if the
established government treats the insurgent force as if it were a sovereign
power. The rules of international law as formulated at the Hague Conferences
require that belligerency between states be preceded by an absolute
declaration of war or an ultimatum prescribing the terms on which the
issuing power will refrain from war. When belligerency has been established,
the relations between the warring powers are determined by the laws of war
(see war, laws of). In civil wars if the insurgent force is granted
belligerency rights, neutral nations generally abstain from supplying or
helping either the established government or its opponent"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belligerent

A belligerent is an individual, group, country or other entity which acts in
a hostile manner, such as engaging in combat. Belligerent comes from Latin,
literally meaning "to wage war". Unlike the colloquial use of belligerent to
mean aggressive, its formal use does not necessarily imply that the
belligerent country is an aggressor.

Since the beginning of the crystallization of various concepts of
international law, also called the law of nations, the concept of
belligerency and the rights and duties of belligerent nations have continued
to evolve and become codified. In the modern context, a number of
regulations relating to belligerency were annexed to the Hague Convention of
1899, pertaining to the laws and customs of war. The Convention contained a
specific section named Belligerents which was divided into three chapters,
dealing respectively with the following:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O999-belligerent.html

bel·lig·er·ent / b?'lij?r?nt/
• adj. hostile and aggressive: a bull-necked, belligerent old man.
? engaged in a war or conflict, as recognized by international law.
• n. a nation or person engaged in war or conflict, as recognized by
international law.

Conflict doesn't have to be a shooting war, although Cuba's military and
Coast Guard HAVE on a few occasions traded fire with American forces.
Post by krp
Why do you leave out this disclaimer COMRADE?
"Amnesty International has been unable to document at first hand the effects
of the embargo on the enjoyment of these rights due to the organization’s
lack of access to
Cuba."
COMRADE C> Just keep reading, Kennykins! The very next sentence:

"The information in this report is based mostly on reports from UN
agencies and programmes operating in Cuba, included in the reports of
the UN Secretary-General that have been submitted to the UN General
Assembly on a yearly basis since 1994. Reports on the human rights
situation in Cuba from other UN sources, the Inter-American Commission
on Human Rights, development agencies working in Cuba and human rights
organizations have also been considered in order to assess the impact
of the embargo on the economic and social rights of Cubans."

And get the reference to electricity comes from ONE low level UN worker and
is UNSOURCED. Got a smart assed answer for that Comrade?
Post by krp
"Since 2002, the USA has been the major supplier of food and agricultural
products to Cuba."
COMRADE C>How does this contradict their claim in the same report, “The
COMRADE C>RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED BY THE EMBARGO help to deprive Cuba of vital
COMRADE C>access to medicines, new scientific and medical technology, food,
COMRADE C>chemical water treatment and electricity?” It doesn't, of course.
You
COMRADE C>are simply grasping at straws.


I never try to explain somebody's irrational claims, Comrade.
Post by krp
"The US Government Accountability Office reported that in 2006, US medical
and
pharmaceutical exports to Cuba amounted to US$120,000 (0.04 % of total
exports to Cuba).
Exports of licensed humanitarian items, including donated medicine and
medical products,
amounted to US$6.9 million (1.98% of total exports to Cuba)."
COMRADE C> As above. How does this contradict their claim, “The RESTRICTIONS
COMRADE C> IMPOSED BY THE EMBARGO help to deprive Cuba of vital access to
COMRADE C> medicines, new scientific and medical technology, food, chemical
water
COMRADE C> treatment and electricity?” It doesn't.


Yes it really does contradict itself, Comrade.

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